Not the most utterly nice thing from kiberpipa, but meh
July 13th, 2008
Image via WikipediaI said I have one more of these “bullcrap” post to write before I go to a cleaner version of posts. I wanted this guy to come from vacation before I write it because I don’t want to ruin a fraction of his time or good feeling over there, because all in all, it’s not a big thing.
Ok. I have made some chat server which I wanted to use as a basis for making more interesting apps. I got some idea some day that could be used at cultural and other events.. that would make them more of a dual (real + online) events. The idea was basically simple and not something groundbreaking and also didn’t require any massive coding besides using my chat + some streaming video stuff + other ready available stuff.
it goes like this:
1) Event is happening .. for example a kiberpipa lecture
2) Video is streamed and available on a webpage in realtime
3) Besides the video, chat would also be embedded on that webpage so people who watch the video can chat one to another
4) Chat is projected on a wall in the room where the real event is happening
5) Near is a computer or two with chat loaded so that people from event can also chat back
6) Chat application could have some special funcionalities like voting for questions to ask the lecturer .. etc
So I proposed this to one guy from kiberpipa, I said I can do the chat part for free (they already do stream video). My reason was that I want my (open sourced) chat server to be used and progress somewhere and it would be a cool reference. The guy didn’t reply back, which is no problem to me, the idea can not sound so good to him, or whatever..
But a week or two later kiberpipa was organizing a big Firefox 3 Release Event, with talks, lectures and a party, etc… and I got a newsletter from them saying also (if I translate) “if you can’t join you can watch a video stream of the event here”, “you can join us in our IRC chatroom”, “chat will be projected on the wall, so we won’t miss a thing”.
So, WTH, I don’t care.. nice to see my ideas roughly in action without having to move an finger. Yes, maybe they (A)got the same idea at the same time totally independently of what I wrote, or maybe (B) I “inspired” them (as it’s often called in indie game community). In each case they could of written me at least a line back if they intended to use something like it. This post is just so it’s known that I know and the story can be closed to me here. If something is troubling me with someone I usually write him/she directly not post it publicly, but I would feel stupid writing an email to a person again if he didn’t reply the first one anyway.
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Otherwise, this doesn’t change anything to me. I love and am utterly happy with what Kiberpipa does and that it exists. They are the great and one of rare voices and meeting points of young, innovative tech crowd in Slovenia. And they have lectures, meetings, various stuff multiple time per week, so a lot of good will must go into running the thing. I will of course still visit it when I have time. Good thing I was reading too many Osho books once and totally dissolved my Ego by accident (joking).
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Update: The guy who I wrote to replied me and explained that my mail wasn’t seen by anybody else and that he wasn’t involved in organizing the FF3 release day. I believe him, so this seems to be just a case of 2 things happening at the time that made it look like it could be option B I mentioned upthere, but it’s A.


July 14th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Hi,
while the idea is not extremely new and was considered in the past (http://ces.psychorealm.org/blog/?p=36 for example), I appreciate your efforts and welcome your help
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Perhaps we will consider actually implementing it in the near future, now that we’ve been made aware of the demand. Your help would certainly be appreciated
. Technologies sure have risen up to the challenge as of late (red5, XMPP, …)
It’s been done in Kiberpipa in the early beginnings (where an irc channel was projected) if I’m not mistaken.
Whoever you wrote to, I would advise you to address your email to info@ next time, since more people read it
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July 14th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Just to make the picture clearer…
http://ces.psychorealm.org/blog/?p=36
(dated - January 17th, 2008)
and
http://balumbo.wordpress.com/2007/11/06/pot-first-live-event-on-balumbo/
(dated - 6 November 2007)
There are many thinkers out there and most of them get similar ideas sooner or later
July 14th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Yes video + chat is hardly something new and unthinkable.. the detail about projecting the thing on the wall and the timing of the 2 events caught my attention. As I said it doesn’t seem a big deal to me in either way, but I don’t like carrying unspoken baggage around.
If you did projection on the wall before then I guess I have a little to hold against you. I can update the main post if you wish.
Yes, with red5, haxeVideo.. a lot of stuff is possible now. What is Balumbo?
July 14th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Balumbo is a little live streaming project we are doing.
The idea is to allow the user to stream whatever live stream they want (webcam, mobile, from a P2P TV…) in a way that it can be viewed by almost everybody without the need to download anything.
We are using Flash, Red5 and some backend magic.
If you need more info or are interested in helping send me a Twitter DM @tomazstolfa.
July 14th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Looks interesting, I didn’t know something “streamy” is going on in Slovenia too although I think I saw the name and logo at one point before.
One of my plans includes video streaming to so I might have some questions about your exp. with red5. But I am not sure when I will get to work on that.